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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2011 2:53:41 GMT -5
How much time between picks? I'm on almost the exact opposite hrs here in Singapore from the US
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Post by BK Dodgers GM (Man) on Feb 17, 2011 7:56:51 GMT -5
How much time between picks? I'm on almost the exact opposite hrs here in Singapore from the US We've been using a 6-hour clock for picks. And in the past, we were freezing the clock between midnight PT and 6am PT, but I guess if we need to change that to better accommodate everyone, we can discuss that. You're also welcome to ask the LO (or maybe another GM) to make a pick on your behalf as you see your pick coming up real soon -- just make sure you provide a long enough shortlist of priortized choices for that proxy pick, if you do that. I personally don't expect to be all that active for my own team for most of the draft, especially after my pick #2.7 -- although I do have pick #4.1, which I *might* use -- so you're welcome to ask me much of the time. Also, if you want, I guess I can email or IM or maybe text everyone when his pick comes up. Just let me know... |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2011 8:45:52 GMT -5
6 hrs is a very short clock, especially with at least a few of us spread around the world. We're sleeping when you're working, working when you're sleeping.
I appreciate the offer of making a pick for me. I don't know about others, and I'd prefer to keep all strategy to myself, so that's not really a viable option
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Post by BK Dodgers GM (Man) on Feb 17, 2011 10:06:03 GMT -5
There are a lot of picks to go thru, and we don't want things to drag too much, so that's why we have a 6-hour clock for this.
It's a reasonable compromise all things considered -- and we've never had a problem w/ it before -- though I do understand the concern since you're located 1/2-way around the world from some of us here.
IF you have better suggestions, the LO would certainly consider them. But we do all need to settle on some sort of workable compromise, and unless there's a truly better suggestion/compromise, we probably won't fix what ain't actually broken (yet).
I don't really know offhand, but would it help if we moved and/or moderately expand the clock-freeze period by a couple hours here or there? That's one area that might make good sense to tweak, especially since it's kinda North-American-West-Coast-centric while most(?) of us are located 2-plus hours earlier in terms of timezones.
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Post by BK Dodgers GM (Man) on Feb 17, 2011 10:15:40 GMT -5
Also, if people really want the clock to be expanded, then we should probably stipulate something like no on-the-clock pick trades, which can often put a substantial drag on the draft.
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Post by BK Dodgers GM (Man) on Feb 17, 2011 10:21:10 GMT -5
FYI, I created a separate thread for this particular discussion (and moved the various relevant posts from the poll thread for starting earlier).
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Post by BK Dodgers GM (Man) on Feb 17, 2011 10:25:37 GMT -5
BTW, everyone might want to (re)familiarize himself w/ the rules for determining who are actually eligible for this Draft, especially in terms of newly "imported" foreign players and such. I'll give y'all at least one useful hint. There's a certain newly available, young-ish MI who will *NOT* qualify as prospect (and thus, for the Draft) for this league.  |
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Post by BK Dodgers GM (Man) on Feb 18, 2011 14:46:52 GMT -5
All,
IF anyone has any additional suggestions for something better to deal w/ the timezone diffs, please do post them for discussion here.
Here are a couple suggestions brought up privately:
1. Someone did privately suggest maybe going w/ 2 shorter clock freezes to deal w/ the overnight/workday flipside issue, but the LO does not believe that's workable since the spread is wide enough that there will always be some folks getting the short end of such an approach, eg. UK and North American West Coasters vs East Asian and North American East Coasters.
2. Someone also suggested we go w/ a shorter trade window w/in an expanded pick clock like 9-hour clock (to help offset the drag caused by trading of on-the-clock picks), but the LO feels it's best to just keep it simpler and go for all-or-nothing w/ that.
Certainly, there have already been some complaints in the past about pick trading (especially on-the-clock pick trades) being a real drag on things even when it was just a 6-hour clock, and it's really just best to keep things simpler anyway (rather than to add another trading window w/in the larger pick window).
Anyway, if you have other suggestions, please do bring them up real soon. Otherwise, we will probably put up a poll to either expand the pick clock to a proposed 9 hours w/ elimination of on-the-clock pick trades *OR* just keep status quo.
Thanks for your input...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2011 22:25:47 GMT -5
Maybe an 8 hr window to make our picks. It's easy for us overseas to be sleeping straight through a 6-hr window. Odds of missing 8 hrs are slim
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Post by BK Dodgers GM (Man) on Feb 19, 2011 12:35:15 GMT -5
If we're going to expand the clock, we will most likely restrict trading for on-the-clock picks.
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Post by Former Reds GM (Patrick) on Feb 19, 2011 16:32:32 GMT -5
I really don't like the idea of restricting trading of on-the-clock picks. Even with every pick taking 8 hours (i'm assuming there would be no need to freeze the clock if we had an 8 hr window), the draft would be finished in about 3 weeks, and that's with every pick taking 8 hours.
I really think the rules should promote activity (and flexibility in terms of strategy) whenever possible.
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Post by BK Dodgers GM (Man) on Feb 19, 2011 16:34:56 GMT -5
Well, I guess that could be another option to consider though I'm not sure everyone likes to have the clock freeze removed.
I guess we could possibly include that option in a poll for this.
BTW, not sure how you did your math, but a quick calc shows:
8 hours x 18 picks per round x 5 rounds = 720 hours = 30 days or a month ;D
So yeah, I guess it's probably not too much different than 6-hour clock w/ 6-hour clock freeze per day in terms of the overall length of the draft, BUT not sure how it really impacts actual picks in practice, especially since people cannot plan around a well-known 6-hour clock freeze for this. If a bunch of picks happen between say midnight to 2am at somebody's timezone, he'll need to make sure he checked first thing in the morning to make sure his pick won't get skipped (or skipped by too many other picks) because there was not clock freeze from midnight-to-6am PT.
Some folks have probably gotten used to just checking more often, especially in the morning before heading to work or something (vs waiting til sometime in the afternoon), but I have no idea if that applies to everyone.
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Post by Former Reds GM (Patrick) on Feb 19, 2011 16:49:32 GMT -5
lol not sure how my math was that far off.
either way, i dont think restricting trading is really the answer.
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Post by BK Dodgers GM (Man) on Feb 19, 2011 16:53:14 GMT -5
Well, that idea came up mostly because people do complain about that from time to time (about on-the-clock pick trades dragging on picks).
Nobody really likes to wait for somebody else to spend 6 (or 8) hours of the pick clock trying to make a trade, instead of actually using the pick himself.
I don't personally mind it much for a 6-hour clock, but expanding to 8 hours *and* still allow that would probably just get that much more annoying for most folks.
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Post by Former Reds GM (Patrick) on Feb 19, 2011 16:55:16 GMT -5
So we are going to eliminate (or restrict) an applicable and valid strategy bc it 'annoys' some GMs?
I'm not sure how the LO would monitor that type of rule if trading is just limited (maybe only restrict it after the 2nd round)?
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Post by Former Reds GM (Patrick) on Feb 19, 2011 17:01:55 GMT -5
sorry for the double-post.
if the draft is going to end before the season starts, I don't see why it would 'annoy' anyone. It's not like it's holding up some other aspect of the league.
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Post by BK Dodgers GM (Man) on Feb 19, 2011 17:05:04 GMT -5
So we are going to eliminate (or restrict) an applicable and valid strategy bc it 'annoys' some GMs? No, the proposal is not simply that. That would only be part of the proposal to expand the pick clock, if we change anything at all. If there's no change at all, then there's no change at all. We're not proposing restricting pick trades all by itself. It would be easy enough if it's all-or-nothing as soon as the pick is on-the-clock. Every GM can see for himself and really shouldn't need the LO to step in for that in general. And it would be obvious enough if someone tries to break such a rule (assuming we don't have a separate clock for trading). Anyway, as a reasonable compromise on this, maybe only applying the restriction after the 1st or 2nd round could make sense as well considering how these drafts typically play out. Certainly something to consider... Thanks... |
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Post by BK Dodgers GM (Man) on Feb 19, 2011 17:09:19 GMT -5
if the draft is going to end before the season starts, I don't see why it would 'annoy' anyone. It's not like it's holding up some other aspect of the league. Hmmm... Well, let's see. There are 13 votes (and some bits of yammering from you-know-who ) in favor of starting the Draft a week earlier even though it'll probably just mean shifting the lull around in the grand scheme of things. Meanwhile, doing so could potentially impact a few GMs' plans to make moves and/or prepare otherwise ahead of the Draft's originally expected start date. You tell me. ;D Now, I'm not saying people shouldn't want some good changes. Just saying everyone doesn't have the same wants (or things that annoy) as you.  FWIW, like I've said before, it actually doesn't matter much to me personally how these things go as long as they proceed reasonably and allow reasonable planning, etc. and that everyone can reasonably get on the same page w/ them. But there may be some who wants the cake and eat it too ;D -- not looking to point fingers here of course... |
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Post by Former Reds GM (Patrick) on Feb 22, 2011 0:01:58 GMT -5
I can see how moving the draft forward could hinder a team's opportunity to prepare for the draft. I don't see how being 'annoyed' at someone taking their full 6 (or 8) hours to try and get the most for their pick is an issue when the draft will be completed before the season starts.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2011 0:20:18 GMT -5
Here, I'll solve the problem. As things around here have slowed to a crawl, and trading has become more difficult with full Rosters and everyone so close to their Caps, I'm going to change my vote from starting Mar 5 to starting Feb 26....on one condition. That condition is that we expand the draft clock from 6 to 8 hrs per pick, so that those of us overseas have an equal opportunity to make our picks. Otherwise, frankly, there's very, very good odds that it'll be the middle of the night here when it's our time to draft, and we'll miss our pick entirely. Sure, we can go back and pick afterwards, but that's not really fair, and not really in the spirit of the draft. This solves a few problems. One, the time zone difference thing is nullified. Two, the "lull" that has been referred too is taken out. Because the draft might take a little longer to complete, we'll still be involved and engaged in it, and not just sitting around for a week or so waiting. Problem solved..maybe.  |
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